elodieschillemans (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

beautiful

em43218 (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

No matter who or what he was his music is a thing of gentle beauty from a time of gross vulgarity.

heirofslytherinn (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

God, I love the Tristan chord. It gets me every time... it's like shivers.

krakhaid (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

Who cares if Wagner was a proto-nazi?He's long dead, and the thing you are watching is his music, which is fantastic.

bbarlavi82 (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

this gives me goosebumps... great performance

alexmietzel (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

could you stop arguing about wagner most of those people who posted a coment have no idea what the hell was going on and i thin it´s disrespectfull to someone like wagner to even think about calling him a nazi or even the forefather of the nazis wtf!!!

Katrienchen (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

The Nazis used everything they thought that would help them to transport their message. Even middel high german texts which were written in a time when even no Germany existed. So...

Katrienchen (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

This implies that 'Germany' wouldn't have took part in the dark ages of gunpowder - this seems to be quite irrealtistic to me! And: darc ages of genocide etc. in other countries still were and are there in the 1990ies and later. On what ground this argumentation stands, then? (Bad English, too. Sorry!)

MetaSeven (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

Against the backdrop of ages of imperialism full of genocide, racism and slave labour which some countries still regard as their "golden age", it is hard to believe that the Nazis needed Wagner for inspiration. The fact that germans were late with all that was one of the main reasons it came in this sheer brutality. When the brits, french, dutch etc. had their dark time, they used gunpowder. When the germans had their dark time, mankind had developed industrialism and mass media.

3stringovation (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

I am more familiar with Nietzche than I am with Wagner, but I think you are right. N's work was so *ANTI*-anti-semitic (and anti-German) that the Nazis had to edit him significantly in order to make him into something they could use. Edits like that were not necessary for Wagner's work. That said, human ideals such as love, passion and suffering are beyond all questions of race.