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LARRYSIEGEL123 (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
toscanini protested hitler and his totalitarian state and woud not conduct wagner in germany . toscanini did the same in his native land italy and then came to the usa and supported the war effort. i think deaf as he was beethoven must have turned over in his grave when he heard who was conducting and using his music written with love of mankind for a nazi audiance. cosmo
pianist12 (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
Sorry, but the last few measures were too fast and out of control balance wise(BASS DRUM& CYMBALS!)
lovelymess (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
Thank you my friend.I ADORE German Music be it Beethoven Brahms Wagner or Bach...The music comes form a divinely inspired gift and is not to be exploited for any political purposes, even if those who do take personal character flaws of the artists, such as Wagner's anti semitism, and twist them for their own propaganda.As for those who cannot hear the sublime greatness of this recording, I simply shake my head at you. You don't hear it, and you never will.
sam0xin (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
p.s. FURTWANGLER . . . ! ! ! there is no words or expressions for exact description of my fillings...by listening MASTER-MAESTRO...maybe just by 2 words. . ..WILHELM FURTWANGLER.
sam0xin (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
2.24 - 2.28 I guess soprano was not just out of tune ...but more then that. Even violinists couldn't hold back their emotions... and this was at celebration of Fuhrer's birthday ??!....ooOO00OOoo.... !Scary.
mozpiano2 (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
Well do you know a better performance?? (One of my favourite performances is by Christopher Hogwood, who used period instruments - very interesting to hear the 9th on period instruments!!)
mc0558 (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
ridethetigerIISorry!
mozpiano2 (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
Just as a clarification - where you stating that I was a fool, or ridethetigerII?
mc0558 (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
"The Wehrmacht audience"- the concert was R&R for wounded soldiers and being held in wartime the flag, which had been changed to the schwastika in 1934, was displayed everywhere. No, they don't accomplish it (the identification of the performance with the political leadership of the Nazi Reich) for me you ignorant fool.
mozpiano2 (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
Beethoven will always remain one of the musical Gods forever. His 9th Symphony has been written as a celebration of HIS ideology, which was that we sound live under a brotherhood of all men. Unfortunately, the NAZIs used Beethoven' and Bruckners music (Bruckner was deeply religious)to push their own ideology, when in fact both men would have been very sad that their music was used like this. Furtwaengler hated the NAZIs. The NAZI party inflicted so much pain on the good people of the Jewish race |
