sausage24 (October 12, 2008 at 5:59 pm)

"stay cool" lol

IricForset (October 12, 2008 at 9:38 am)

Goverments become corrupt either because there is too much money, or too little (in the case of many African countries). The problem with money is, banks create it out of thin air and thus create debt. Either, the 1% percent of people in the world who have the majority of wealth share it around, because studies have shown there is enough to give everyone clean water in the world....or either we abolish the monetary system. Although I cant argue that money has bought things, it slows progress

ianclivewright (October 12, 2008 at 9:34 am)

But, and here's the crux of the issue, no other system of generating wealth has been found to work, has it?People are born into poverty in this world, but often it's their leaders that keep them there, in illiteracy and ignorance. I don't think you can blame the West for anything. African debt is the fault of African leaders, are you suggesting black people can't be trusted with high finance?But without the guy with the mercs, there would be no hospital, that's the point.

IricForset (October 12, 2008 at 5:33 am)

I dont think life is fair for all those who are unfortunate enough to be born into poverty and cant do anything about it, but thats alright I guess because Capitalism just hasnt reached them yet...or has it? Capitalism is the system which enslaves nations in a merry go round of debt. Maybe another example is needed "Hi, sorry we cant help you with your illness because this hospital doesnt have the equipment to treat you with" Meanwhile some guy owns fifty Mercedez benz; its grande.

ianclivewright (October 12, 2008 at 5:25 am)

Well I'd take a look around the world, generally, if I was you, and tell me if you think life is fair?I'd ask the question another way, without the system that led to the 350 million(I don't know the context of the statement) there wouldn't be any homes.Without that system, there wouldn't be any aid to the world's poor either, no billions of dollars a year from the US, or the European Union.The amount of people willing to work for nothing is very slim I find.

IricForset (October 12, 2008 at 12:21 am)

Well if you want to compare USSR's communism to the western world's capitalism, then capitalism wins, but I think the issues you are talking about within that economic system are largely about rights more than money, eg most communist regimes have been about repressing rights. I wont get into a debate, but ill leave with a quote from a trial recently "Do you think its fair that these people lost their homes while you get to keep 450 million" "Actually its only 350 million...." Its disgusting.

ianclivewright (October 11, 2008 at 7:33 pm)

Capitalism is the only system that works. Gives the most wealth to the most people, look what it's done to the West. It stimulates science and industry. Command economies, well they've been tried and failed terribly every time without exception. Look at the USSR, reducing its people to beggary, and desperately stealing secrets from the West in order to get basic technology. Building walls to stop its best brains leaving.Capitalism with a social remit, the only game in town.

IricForset (October 11, 2008 at 2:12 pm)

Capitalism might seem normal, probably because it is, but its implications are so primitive you can clearly see it is the scourge of the world....look around you, look at all the fucked up nations and people starving. People say money is bad, but there is enough money for everyone...people with ideas such as capitalism are bad. Atheism rules, capitalism sucks!

ianclivewright (October 11, 2008 at 11:02 am)

Capitalism is a natural order of things, not a religion.Atheism hasn't killed anyone, because it's not a belief its merely an observation of the way the world works, backed up by scientific evidence. Anyone who kills someone doesn't do it in the name of observations on gravity, or lack of deity. It takes religious people to kill for a fantasy.

colombian81 (October 11, 2008 at 1:57 am)

Socio-economic systems e.g capitalism and dialetical materialism (aka atheism) is responsilble for more death and destruction on the planet than any other religion/philosophy in history...Very nice!